macOS: System tray icon doesn't remember place

[binford6000]

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Steps to reproduce

1. Start Talk desktop on Mac
2. Use ⌘+mouse to move icon to the desired place
3. Close Talk desktop.
4. Open it again

Expected behaviour

Talk desktop icon stays at its place.

Actual behaviour

Talk desktop icon is on the very left side of the Dock instead at the moved place.

Dock icon stays not persistent:

Before closing app:

After opening app again:

Diagnosis and logs

Diagnosis report

Diagnosis report

Nextcloud Talk Desktop
Version	v1.1.5
Built-in Talk version	v21.0.0
Release channel	stable
Operating system	Darwin 24.3.0 (Darwin Kernel Version 24.3.0: Thu Jan 2 20:24:06 PST 2025; root:xnu-11215.81.4~3/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103)
Executable Path	/Applications/Nextcloud Talk.app/Contents/MacOS/Nextcloud Talk
Connected to	-
Nextcloud server version	31.0.0
Nextcloud Talk version	21.0.0
notifications app enabled	✅ yes
notify_push app enabled	✅ yes

Application config

{
  "launchAtStartup": false,
  "theme": "default",
  "systemTitleBar": false,
  "monochromeTrayIcon": false,
  "zoomFactor": 1,
  "playSoundChat": "respect-dnd",
  "playSoundCall": "respect-dnd",
  "enableCallbox": "respect-dnd",
  "secondarySpeaker": false,
  "secondarySpeakerDevice": null
}

Client logs

Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 ()

[ShGKme]

I don't have much user experience on macOS, but I'm very unsure it is something controllable on the application level.

@Ivansss @SystemKeeper Maybe you know better?

[SystemKeeper]

It is somehow possible (although my knowledge is also limited here), the files desktop client for example supports this. The information is stored in the native defaults, here's an example from the desktop client:

    "com.nextcloud.desktopclient" =     {
        NSNavLastRootDirectory = "~/Desktop/NextcloudDesktopSync";
        NSNavPanelExpandedSizeForOpenMode = "{800, 448}";
>>      "NSStatusItem Preferred Position Item-0" = 402;
        "NSWindow Frame NSNavPanelAutosaveName" = "560 475 800 448 0 0 1920 1055 ";
        "NSWindow Frame SUStatusFrame" = "50 142 400 135 0 0 1512 944 ";
        "NSWindow Frame SUUpdateAlertSmall" = "446 586 620 183 0 0 1512 944 ";
        SUAutomaticallyUpdate = 0;
        SUEnableAutomaticChecks = 1;
        SUFeedURL = "<....>";
        SUHasLaunchedBefore = 1;
        SULastCheckTime = "2025-03-08 09:24:29 +0000";
        SUSendProfileInfo = 0;
        SUUpdateRelaunchingMarker = 0;
    };

This can be read through defaults read com.nextcloud.desktopclient or for all apps with defaults find "NSStatusItem Preferred Position".

The thing is, when I move the talk desktop icon, that key also gets added for us:

Found 1 keys in domain 'com.nextcloud.talk.mac': {
    "NSStatusItem Preferred Position Item-0" = 367;
}

but when closing the app, the key is gone and the icon is again at the most left? Are we resetting some values on app close?

After change in position:

➜  ~ defaults read com.nextcloud.talk.mac
{
    AppleTextDirection = 1;
    NSForceRightToLeftWritingDirection = 0;
    NSFullScreenMenuItemEverywhere = 0;
    "NSStatusItem Preferred Position Item-0" = 554;
    NSTreatUnknownArgumentsAsOpen = NO;
    "NSWindow Frame electron.devtools" = "163 118 1741 813 0 0 1920 1055 ";
}

After closing

➜  ~ defaults read com.nextcloud.talk.mac
{
    AppleTextDirection = 1;
    NSForceRightToLeftWritingDirection = 0;
    NSFullScreenMenuItemEverywhere = 0;
    NSTreatUnknownArgumentsAsOpen = NO;
    "NSWindow Frame electron.devtools" = "163 118 1741 813 0 0 1920 1055 ";
}

[ShGKme]

@SystemKeeper Thanks a lot

[ShGKme]

• Electron issue: [Bug]: NSStatusItem doesn't maintain position in menubar across launches electron/electron#42154

Thanks again, @SystemKeeper