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surprisingly enough, the 3² grid is just big enough to fit an xor gate

"Add alternate gate recipes without silicon

Added alternate crafting recipes for AND, NAND, and XOR gates without silicon." - copilot

surprisingly enough, the 3² grid is just big enough to fit an xor gate

"Add alternate gate recipes without silicon

Added alternate crafting recipes for AND, NAND, and XOR gates without silicon." - copilot
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Why would you need this? 4x silicon can already be crafted using 3x sand + 1x steel (mesecons_materials/init.lua).

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Why would you need this? 4x silicon can already be crafted using 3x sand + 1x steel (mesecons_materials/init.lua).

some of these recipes are too simple to warrant silicon (and, nand), and I doubt an xor gate needs as much/more silicon than an fpga

the only reason I kept the old recipes was to avoid breaking stuff, who knows, someone may have an autocrafter for these somewhere

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SmallJoker commented Nov 2, 2025

some of these recipes are too simple to warrant silicon

I would like to keep the complexity of the current recipes as it raises the need for automation, such as pipeworks/techage/technic/technic_plus.
As a counter-proposal, you could change the output quantity of the logic gates. The FPGA could be made more expensive as well.

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The4codeblocks commented Nov 2, 2025

some of these recipes are too simple to warrant silicon

I would like to keep the complexity of the current recipes as it raises the need for automation

I don't think either recipe is simpler than the other

the silicon recipe is direct (all components diverge) with more components (mesecon, sand, iron), whereas the mesecon torch recipe has less components (mesecon, wood) with a less direct recipe tree (the mesecon has to be split between the root recipe and making mesecon torches)

and if you mean automation of silicon, I doubt that it'll be needed beyond one-time bulk production

The FPGA could be made more expensive as well.

I don't want this to be a direct consequence of the pull request

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I don't think either recipe is simpler than the other

Oh yes you're right. I don't know what I was thinking there.

I don't want this to be a direct consequence of the pull request

High complexity items/nodes should also be take more materials (and thus effort) to craft. If we go by the real life: All logic chips need silicon (or another semiconductor). In contrast to single AND/NAND cells, producing FPGA's is considerably more expensive as they require a smaller processing node to fit everything on the same die size.
Hence, both - making logic gates cheaper and FPGA's more expensive - would make sense.

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