Master Fader with level

[nicolopozzato]

In the right, off the mixer section a master fader with the led (left and right channel) .

Could be usefull for many user to have a fader from +12db to -35db (then -infinity) so we can change the volume and also boost a little if it's too weak...

Also a rappresentation would be fine to have as a master headphone...

(I'm starting to view the code to help a little)

[corrados]

Why should I have a master fader in the Jamulus software? You should have a volume control (either hardware or via software) in your sound card interface to set the volume you are hearing in your headphone or speaker. The same applies to the input signal. These things should be controlled from outside of Jamulus. We already have a lot of faders if the server is crowded. I would not like to fill up the space with unnecessary additional faders.

[nicolopozzato]

Yes I can set on windows the output volume at 100% but it's not high enought to ear while singing, and because I have read in the forum that other people have the same problem I had think about a master slider with the feature of increase the volume output (+12db, -35db)...

Also i have notice that changing the buffer delay change the volume, strange...

[pljones]

What you hear is what others hear. It means your input is not loud enough. Perhaps you need a better mic input with the appropriate hardware level controls?

[corrados]

Regarding the level change for different buffer sizes, I created a separate Issue for that: #106

Since I do not like the idea of a master fader, is it ok for you that I reject and close this feature request?

[elliotclee]

I see Volker's point about doing it elsewhere, but I too am interested in a master volume fader.

There are some sound devices that don't have software or hardware volume control (think virtual sound cards). A Jamulus master fader would be very helpful in those cases.

How is Jamulus supposed to relate to DAW software? Is Jamulus supposed to be able to do the job of the DAW, which usually includes having a master fader and more feature-ful channel strips?

Or is Jamulus supposed to move the burden of the levels, reverb, panning, and eq features into the DAW instead of having to depend on Jamulus' to provide those features. If that's the direction to go, then a master fader makes no sense.

I would love to be able to get the individual channels of audio out from Jamulus and into DAW software for final processing and recording.

[Snayler]

I'm not sure about other operating systems, but this is possible to accomplish on Windows with Voicemeeter. It acts as a virtual mixing console for the sound devices in the computer.

I currently use Voicemeeter to output both my instrument (connected to my external sound interface) and my computer microphone (connected directly into the computer's mic input) on the same channel, so that I can communicate with the people I'm jamming with. This enables me to fine tune volumes for each channel (intrument or microphone) and it's possible to boost one channel up to +12dB.

Screenshot of my Voicemeeter setup

Linux should also have no problem with this, since (if I'm not mistaken) it natively supports boosting a signal beyond 100% (0dB).

Given the plethora of choices to control the volume outside Jamulus, I don't think a master fader would be a necessary feature, as it would only complicate things.

I would love to be able to get the individual channels of audio out from Jamulus and into DAW software for final processing and recording.

For now, this is only possible to accomplish on the server, with the --recording option enabled. It creates a track for each channel and a Reaper Project file with all the information needed for the DAW to put the individual tracks in the right timing.

[elliotclee]

Voicemeeter is unreliable for me (problems with dropouts while direct to sound card works fine) and adds too much latency... Also doesn't give me the flexibility that Jack+Carla do on Linux now. I need to be able to do eq, compression etc. live on individual tracks. Something as simple as the option to send all channels back to the clients unmixed for output via Jack/ASIO/etc would be nice. I bet opus has multichannel compression that can keep the bandwidth down for this.

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 06:57 Snayler ***@***.***> wrote: I'm not sure about other operating systems, but this is possible to accomplish on Windows with Voicemeeter. It acts as a virtual mixing console for the sound devices in the computer. I currently use Voicemeeter to output both my instrument (connected to my external sound interface) and my computer microphone (connected directly into the computer's mic input) on the same channel, so that I can communicate with the people I'm jamming with. This enables me to fine tune volumes for each channel (intrument or microphone) and it's possible to boost one channel up to +12dB. [image: Screenshot_41] <https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/11491485/79856841-cd55c380-83c4-11ea-9990-b9c5ee0a8659.png> *Screenshot of my Voicemeeter setup* Linux should also have no problem with this, since (if I'm not mistaken) it natively supports boosting a signal beyond 100% (0dB). Given the plethora of choices to control the volume outside Jamulus, I don't think a master fader would be a necessary feature, as it would only complicate things. I would love to be able to get the individual channels of audio out from Jamulus and into DAW software for final processing and recording. For now, this is only possible to accomplish on the server, with the --recording option enabled. It creates a track for each channel and a Reaper Project file with all the information needed for the DAW to put the individual tracks in the right timing. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#97 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AJNWQFCFGLSKHXW5CJOI4NTRNV33FANCNFSM4MLPYOJA> .

[Snayler]

@elliotclee Yes, I see what you mean, I can use my sound card directly at 64 frame buffer without any problems at all, but the same setting on Voicemeeter is producing some weird sound artifacts. I'm going to try JackRouter on windows, see if I can set it up like voicemeeter.

[pljones]

Reaper on Windows with ReaRoute works well. Audio in to Reaper via your hardware ASIO drivers; ReaRoute out to Jamulus, ReaRoute back to Reaper; Reaper audio out via ASIO.

[Snayler]

Reaper on Windows with ReaRoute works well. Audio in to Reaper via your hardware ASIO drivers; ReaRoute out to Jamulus, ReaRoute back to Reaper; Reaper audio out via ASIO.

Although this works well with one audio interface, I can't seem to figure out how to go about using multiple audio interfaces. In my case, I'm trying to use one audio interface to capture the instrument sound and another to capture the microphone from my computer's sound card. ASIO4ALL is not an option as it seems to introduce some delay on my ASIO interface, even after setting it at 64 samples.

I'm having no luck with JackRouter since once I register the 64bit JackRouter.dll, Jamulus won't launch. No error message even after launching it from windows terminal, so I don't have any information about why this happens. 32bit version of JackRouter just won't appear on the devices list, so no luck there either.

[corrados]

This is a known issue: #93
As a workaround you can run an unzip program like 7zip on the installer and extract the 32 bit Jamulus.exe. If you unzip it asks you to rename files with the same name. The renamed files are then the 32 bit versions.

[pljones]

You can do the same ReaRoute trick with two instances of Reaper, I would imagine - one for your main ASIO driver, the other with its main audio being WASAPI from your sound card for the mic. Then use ReaRoute from the mic Reaper to the main Reaper. (Having set up the relevant tracks, of course.)

[Snayler]

This is a known issue: #93
As a workaround you can run an unzip program like 7zip on the installer and extract the 32 bit Jamulus.exe. If you unzip it asks you to rename files with the same name. The renamed files are then the 32 bit versions.

Thanks for the pointer, will try that.

You can do the same ReaRoute trick with two instances of Reaper, I would imagine - one for your main ASIO driver, the other with its main audio being WASAPI from your sound card for the mic. Then use ReaRoute from the mic Reaper to the main Reaper. (Having set up the relevant tracks, of course.)

I've tried the trick with two instances of Reaper, but for some reason, ReaRoute only works on one of them, it looks like it gets disabled in the second instance. I've tried two different approaches, by having two instances of Reaper 64bit and by installing Reaper 32bit and running it as a second instance along with Reaper 64bit. I made sure ReaRoute was installed on both setups, but it still didn't work. Maybe I'm missing something, not sure.

[pljones]

"Portable install" might be required on one or both Reapers, to avoid profile contention. I've not tried it, to be clear, but if it works it would be a very powerful tool.