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    "text": " So my name is Ariel. My pronouns are she, her, hers. And I am going to be moderating the panel. Now, I just want to call something out right away, which is that we try our best to have as many people from varied backgrounds and varied identities represented here. But of course, it is impossible for us to represent every single facet of the LGBTQ community. So we know that, and we just want to call that out.",
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    "text": " So the first thing I want to ask is raise your hand if you identify as a member of the LGBTQ community.",
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    "text": " Can I have everybody go around and just tell me their names and how they identify?",
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    "text": " Sure, well, my name is Donnie and I use he-him pronouns and I identify as a transgender, sexual or bisexual man.",
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    "text": " OK, so it's Pride Month. Who here thinks that Pride is still relevant? Is it still relevant? Is it useful? Is it important? Yeah.",
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    "text": " I think it's more so relevant for people in other countries in which being gay is legalized and you can face jail time or worse death or for being gay. And I think here it's more of a party, which is fine, not against parties, but I think it's especially important for people living in other countries.",
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    "text": " Zachary, your brow is very firm.",
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    "text": " Yeah, I don't think we should underestimate the power it has to have certain young queer people just to see other people be visible, to be welcome in part of a community. Maybe not necessarily as important in cities like New York, where I feel very comfortable expressing my queerness, but especially in other places across America, where they don't have that large of a queer community, where being queer isn't as visible. I think it's really important to solve pride for those people.",
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    "text": " And I also think it's important because in this day and age we've had about five black transgender women be murdered in the past couple months. And so we do need to actually have those. I'm laughing. 11. So it's even more than that. So it's one of those things where if we don't have these images out, that we don't have these options for people to realize and understand that they're not alone, then all they see are these traumatic experiences and all the discrimination and oppression that is still happening in this country, not just in other countries.",
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    "text": " I'm going to just claim the mantle as the senior spokesman of the group. But I went to my first gay bar in 1977 in West Hollywood. There were actually bars and restaurants on Santa Monica Boulevard that had signs in front that said no faggots allowed. It was a very different place.",
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    "text": " I think pride today should really embrace the changes that we've made over these decades because we've made it a more inclusive society to the point where I think we're one of the most protected groups. I know from an employment standard in history. So I'd like to see pride really take on a different sort of approach and celebrate what we've overcome.",
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    "text": " In your opinion, do you think that we're done working on equality within the LGBTQ community? Is there still a fight to fight? Yes. Notenci",
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    "text": " Yes, I'm from a small town in Texas, and where I'm from, people do not accept me being gay, me being queer, me being gender expensive or anything. And I come, I was raised two hours away from where Malaysia, which black transformed woman and Dallas, Texas was killed. So I don't think that the equality that we want to see, the equality that we should see is actually happening in America now.",
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    "text": " I'm sorry, could I ask a question? Because I think this is really important and relevant. I feel like the majority of people who feel like they're still struggling with lack of equality are people who are identifying as queer.",
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    "text": " I don't identify as queer. That does not define me. That's not a word I want to be called as a gay man. So what I'd like to know is what is the definition of queer? For the people who identify as queer, what does that mean?",
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    "text": " I think we just have to have the discussion if we don't establish that.",
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    "text": " That's a good conversation, that's a good point. Who here identifies as queer, razor-hack?",
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    "text": " We were talking before, and we said, like, queer was supposed to be like a put down, or a diss, you know what I mean? I look at it myself, I'm, it's a regular red blood American gay guy. I don't really see why I have to be all these other letters and all this other stuff added to it. It just, I mean, not no offense to anyone, but it sounds a little bit nuts to me. I understand why we have to be all this other stuff. Like, why can't I just be gay and be happy with that? Why do I have to look at if I'm not, you know, queer or binary, whatever, then I'm like privileged in some way, and it's like, I'm from the hood just like anybody else. Where's all this, you know, where's all this privilege I'm supposed to have coming from, because I don't have it. I understand the same thing. And I'm gay and sorry.",
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    "text": " I don't have it. I understand the same thing. And I'm gay, it's hard to keep up. I think that my issue is not what you identify as is when you try to tell me what I should identify as. And if I say that I'm queer, non-binary, or if I say I'm a shoe, that's my business, I think that- Who tell me what I identify as? I'm just responding. What I'm saying is that people who say that queer is, which you said offensive, my thing is like, why does it matter what I identify as? What am I, I didn't hear-",
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    "text": " It's the source of your oppression. So, it's the source of your oppression. You're nothing now, don't you? You're none of them happened.",
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    "text": " So, it's the source of your question. What is hurt? What is hurt?",
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    "text": " What do you mean by that, Brendan? What do you mean by that, Brendan? I think you should expand on it.",
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    "text": " Well, I'm just noticing that the people who say that they're still victimized in a press turns country or the people who are identifying as queer, non-binary, gender fluid, all these different things. What is it? What does queer mean? I don't know. Excuse me. We can, in order for me to support you or not support you, I need to understand you. Okay.",
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    "text": " have you read up on the word clear have you let google that",
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    "text": " Yeah, I mean, absolutely. The definition in the dictionary is a whole laundry list of derogatory terms, which I think are apps. I think it's an insult. I think it's a slur. I think it's low rent. I think it's embarrassing. I think it's degrading. I think it's degrading. OK, OK, OK. Exactly.",
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