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Hi, Thanks for this post. Adding more to statistics is possible. It is our plan. The screenshots you have posted show what your time in range has been for every day. xDrip shows an AGP graph. I may be misunderstanding you. xDrip offers an AGP graph. We have a shortage of developers. Please help me understand you if I have misunderstood. |
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Dear Navid, thank you so much for your very kind and fast reply. My apologies for my delay responding. I’ve been away this weekend :) In regards to your question, sorry if I was unclear. Of course, as you say the AGP graph provides very useful information for adjustments. What I meant is that daily, monthly, etc, TIR Bar Graphs, as in the photos in my post, provide a simple and quick (albeit limited) indication of how well a T1D is doing, as a compliment to the AGP. Psychologically, this really, really helps and is for some a first step towards using the AGP and other data in order to determine basal and bolus adjustments. As I’m sure you know, not everyone has the experience or confidence to interpret the AGP and some use varied sources of data to make changes. Personally, I rarely use the AGP because mine, despite a very varied lifestyle, is very stable (20 years experience). Consequently, I use the TIR Bar Graphs as a first step indication of problematic days, and then, other data, including the AGP, to determine possible bolus and basal changes. Usually, for me, one off events don’t require profile changes so TIR Bar Graphs are often enough. What I’m saying, and again apologies if I was unclear and simplified too much, is that I think the suggested addition of TIR Bar Graphs in xDrip+ would be a useful compliment and alternative ‘first step’ route to develop (with other data sources) bolus and basal changes. TIR Bar Graphs would also provide the aforementioned psychological boost. I know it does for me and my other T1D comrades when I see a week of 70%+ TIR. We’ve even had competitions in my Diabetes Pump Club to see if we can get to a 100% in range one day which have turned out to be wonderful learning experiences and have generally helped get people to and over the recommended 70% target. My Diabetologist usually starts a consultation with my TIR Bar Graphs before going to the AGP and other data to discuss issues. Of course, I realise that you Developers are extremely busy with lots of projects so might feel my suggestion is not a priority. I would understand and am very grateful for the life changing work you are doing... Never-the-less, I do think the addition of TIR Bar Graphs in xDrip+ like the posted photos would have a larger impact than perhaps initially realised. To begin with, as a ‘first step’ towards the AGP, etc, for determining adjustments, but also, and perhaps more importantly as a quick and simplified TIR Bar Graph ‘dashboard’ of how well one is doing as a T1D. Sometimes lots of data can be a burden in itself and has certainly contributed in my peer group to burnout. I believe that the TIR Bar Graphs suggested can relieve some of that burden and even be used to coax reluctant or burnout T1Ds into recognising issues and making changes. After all, there are many ways to climb a mountain :) I hope that’s a bit clearer? Again thank you Navid! I appreciate your time :) Sincerely, Judd |
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xDrip lets you see statistics for only 1 day, 7 days, 30 days or 90 days already. The question on my mind is what does a TIR bar graph provide that we already don't have in what we already have. For psychological boost, many users use the extra status line. You shouldn't lust look at the titles. Some may not be clear until you also read the summary underneath. xDrip has too many settings in it. It has always been my worry that as we keep adding more and more, the app will become too complicated and no one will be interested to use it any longer. |
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Hi Navid, thanks again for your quick response :) The 1 day, 7 day, 30 days, etc, statistics are averages, not as suggested the specific, day-by-day data TIR bar graphs Such TIR bar charts are easier to interpret and utilise as a first step, compared to averages. For me, and I believe others, averages are of limited use, compared to specific day-by-day information. For example, the 7 day, 30 days, etc, PIE chart in the Statistics section are averages. I don’t know anyone in my peer group who uses those options only the 1 day option, which allows specific insight to how you’ve done that day. Once on the 7 day option, etc, is clicked the data becomes an average and therefore of limited use. For example, as I’m sure you aware, an average can hide erratic and large swings in the data. I’ve had good 3 monthly HbA1cs that have hidden consistent large swing hyper- and hypo-glycaemia. Thanks for the tip on the status line. I use that already but now have to note down each day’s TIR in order to build up a table in order to see a week, etc. The same information is, of course, also provided in the Statistics section in the second to left swipe, first line. However, again, once the 7D, 30D, etc, is clicked the percentage becomes an average, not a day-by-day specific percentage. Certainly, I understand not wanting to add more settings to xDrip as it can be imposing on first use and involves a learning curve. However, to be frank, the Pie Chart and text statistics pages though useful, could in my opinion be improved. One such option is the suggested day-by-day (not average) TIR bar chart. In my opinion, it would simplify things and provide better data. Why do you think both Dexcom and Libre use the TIR bar chart in their apps? At worst, adding such an option to the Statistics section would at least help the migration from the Dexcom and Libre apps. At best, it would provide continuity and help users start to make adjustment decisions as well as the already mentioned psychological boosts. If you are concerned with the already complicated settings wouldn’t any change involve such concerns? How about this, as an idea, why not provide an option to replace the average PIE chart with the 1 day, 7 day, 30 days, etc, day-by-day specific TIR Bar chart? Then Users can choose and the interface doesn’t get an added swipe movement to access :) |
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I'm not objecting to this if a developer wants to add it. There are things I would like to be done to xDrip that I have not had time to do because we have a shortage of developers. It is on my todo list to improve statistics. I have no objection to improving it. I don't believe there is any value in performance in only one day. The value of the AGP is that it shows you the correlation between different days. Your question "why do you think Clarity does this" does not help me. Clarity does a lot. For example, Clarity blocks access to anyone who is not a Dexcom customer. Just because Clarity does something does not make it my goal to replicate it in xDrip. If a developer wants to add a bar graph that shows what your TIR is everyday, they can. I don't see a benefit I am sorry. I admit that there are so many different ways to portray the same set of data. I will not debate that for even a second. A lady can really benefit if she could see how menstruation impacts her control. That would require for xDrip to have data about the cycle. We are trying to continuously enhance xDrip. A lot of our time goes into fixing bugs. The more features we add to xDrip, the more bugs will show up. We need to strike a balance to offer something that does the best it can do. I appreciate your suggestion and if a develoepr wants to add it, I cannot stop them. |
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Hi, @Judd120 As Navid said, statistics in xDrip can be improved, I think more pages to swipe left/right won't disturb or make things harder to use, it's just nice to have. PS: |
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Dear xDrip+ Developers,
first just let me say a huge THANK YOU for the XDrip+ App. I recently moved over from the awful Dexcom G7 App, and slightly better, but not by much, Dexcom Clarity App. Undoubtedly Xdrip+ has made a colossal and positive difference to my life as a Type 1 Diabetic. Xdrip+ is simply light-years ahead with features and customisability - thank you!
There is however one feature from the Dexcom Clarity App which I and many in my T1D community group are missing because it provides a quick and easy display of how we are doing with our blood glucose control. Namely, the Clarity App's ‘Goal: Time In Range’ (TIR) bar graph, which can be set to 7 days, 30 Days and 90 Days. Please see screenshots below.
I would like to therefore respectfully ask if it might be possible to add such a Goal TIR Bar graph similar to the below to the ‘Statistics’ section of the xDrip+ App? I think it would be a fantastic addition.
I realise that this information is displayed in the Statistics section as an average in the [left swipe] ‘Pie Chart’ section, and in the next left swipe, as an average in text. However, despite this being useful, I and others feel the above day-by-day bar graph display is much clearer and more useful, even if only as a psychological boost of seeing we've managed to be over 70% the majority of time :)
Getting a 100% TIR one day is an even better boost!
Practically of course such day-by-day Goal TIR info also helps with bolus and basal adjustments.
Would it therefore kindly be possible to implement such a bar graph in a future update?
Perhaps a swipe right from the Statistics Start screen to bring up a similar ‘Goal: Time In Range’ bar chart as below with TD, YTD, 7D, 30D and 90D bar graphs? I am assuming it might also be possible to set the target goal, though 70% would be fine for most as it is a very common TIR target.
What do you guys think? Is this possible?
Many thanks in advance and thank you again for such a life changing application.
Judd
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